Pls try BerBible and EzBible with Linux + WINE

[Lynn]

I've gotten mixed feedback that BerBible running on a computer with the Linux o/s has:

• major visual glitches that make it unusable
• works reasonably well with minor or no glitches

I am very ignorant about Linux. My impression is that most reasonably modern Linux distributions have a "Windows Emulator" (WINE) that allows some Windows apps to more or less run.

• http://wiki.winehq.org/winecfg
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

BerBible uses a RichEdit control for the main "Text-Viewer" that shows the Bible contents and search results. Attached is a screen-shot from a Linux user who encountered major visual glitches. It is unusable.

There is an EzBible project at www.ezbible.org that is for Win95 end-users. It uses the simpler multi-line Edit control/widget rather than the RichEdit control to avoid some glitches with Win95 thru WinME. It is also somewhat faster than BerBible, which may apply to really old laptops.

I would appreciated getting feedback from people with access to Linux computers to try both BerBible and EzBible.

Please provide:

• the distribution of Linux you are using
• the version of WINE
• your description of what worked and didn't work with BerBible
• your description of what worked and didn't work with EzBible
• and snapshots of what they looked like

[Manu]

I have a Ubuntu installed on a partition of my computer. I used it while testing the Unit Conversion program that I developed a while back....
http://www.swordwarrior.net/UnitConverter.html

Anyways, I tried out BerBible and EzBible on Ubuntu. Details below.....

mmital@mmital-laptop:~$ cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=7.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=gutsy
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.10"
mmital@mmital-laptop:~$ dpkg -l | grep wine
ii  wine  0.9.46-0ubuntu1  Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binar

It took me a while to search google for the above commands so I can find version numbers for my operating system and Wine. As you can see above, it was no easy feat for me

[Manu]

Perhaps this thread should be moved to End Users rather than Developers.

[Lynn]

OK ... it's in EndUsers .... wow, I'm a site admin. <g>

Thanks for trying it.

From the screen-shots, it seems like both BerBible and EzBible work ok. Did you try Search? Hover? Context Sensitive Help with the "What's This ?-Mark" icon? RegEx search? Those would seem to cover what works or not.

You have an older version of Ubuntu ... I think 8.0.x has been available since April, 2008.

It would be interesting to check how your SdiFvBbRe POC looks and behaves. Also SB 5.1 thru 5.3.

I'm tempted to try installing Ubuntu and seeing how it works. Also latest Suse and RedHat Fedora.

I think a case can be made that BerBible-Linux is not a high priority.

I recall when I was working on OS/2 back in the early 90's that IBM spend most of their development effort having OS/2 be able to run Win 3.1x apps. A side effect was that there was not much need to develop native OS/2 applications.

[Manu]

OK ... it's in EndUsers .... wow, I'm a site admin.

yes, you're the all powerful site admin

Did you try Search? Hover? Context Sensitive Help with the "What's This ?-Mark" icon? RegEx search? Those would seem to cover what works or not.

I'll try that tomorrow.

You have an older version of Ubuntu ... I think 8.0.x has been available since April, 2008.

okay, will upgrade to newer version. Not a problem since its free.

It would be interesting to check how your SdiFvBbRe POC looks and behaves. Also SB 5.1 thru 5.3.

yes, now I'm curious too. Will try that tomorrow evening after I get home.

I think a case can be made that BerBible-Linux is not a high priority.

Nope, not a priority for me. I do have some experience with wxWidgets. I don't know what other C++ tools,IDEs, etc. are available in Linux. In any case, I consider Linux to be harder to use than windows and not for the BerBible target audience of inexperienced computer users. That is just my opinion.

[Lynn]

I think a case can be made that BerBible-Linux is not a high priority.

Nope, not a priority for me. I do have some experience with wxWidgets. I don't know what other C++ tools,IDEs, etc. are available in Linux. In any case, I consider Linux to be harder to use than windows and not for the BerBible target audience of inexperienced comuter users. That is just my opinion.

My thinking is that if BerBible-Win-Desktop (BerBible.exe) works ok with the WINE (windows emulator), then there is no/nada/zilch need to develop a specific version for Linux. It's done.

Intel has a free "partner" program you can sign up for. One of the benefits is that you can reserve a remote SDV (software development vehicle) and do free testing on it. There is a long list of different machine and o/s combinations ... dual-core (800 and 900 series with two cores that ran hot, also 500 and 600 series with hyperthreading), core-2-duo (2 cores that run cooler than the dual-cores), quad-core, dual quad-xeon, Linux, WinXp, Vista, Server-2003, Longhorn, etc.
http://www.intel.com/partner

I've found the Intel techs to be VERY helpful. Generally, you have use of the SDV for a week at a time. The default setup seems to include Intel development tools (including compilers, profilers, v-tune, thread-analysis, and generally VS2005. I mentioned to a tech that I was interested in "eventually" running tests on a dual-quad-xeon, an entry level core-2-duo, and an older hyperthreading cpu. I have a quad-core q6600, so I can do that testing on my local computer. Anyway, a day or so later he emailed me that the SDV's were ready, so I spent (too much?) time working (playing?) with them during the summer of 2007.

There is a "learning curve" to getting the sdv's set up and useful ... at least there was for this "Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection" newbie.

In my case with a cable modem with asymetrical upload/download speed (download is relatively FAST, so-so upload speed), it is sluggish and "tempermental" to use for uploading test code, data, and executables. It kind of works like the old Norton PC-AnyWhere. I used SDV's quite a bit last summer for multi-core "proof of concept" testing before the Q6600 became affordable.

[CyberSchnook]

Nope -- I have one machine, running WinXP Pro Corp Ed. and no room on it to create a Linux partition.

[Manu]

As seen from EzBible screenshot, the top search bar combo sizes incorrectly and overlaps the check boxes. This does not happen with BerBible. More comments to follow.

[Lynn]

I was reading the Wine entry on Wikipedia, and noticed that Wine 1.0 was recently released on June 17, 2008 after 15 years of being at 0.#.# status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

Also, Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator" as it involves actual .dll's.

Wine also provides a software library known as Winelib against which developers can compile Windows applications to help port them to Unix-like systems. This might be an interesting approach rather than GTK+ or Qt4.

[Manu]

I tried EzBible with wine 0.9.46. I am guessing whenever I get around to upgrading my Ubuntu installation to the latest version, I will also update my Wine to version 1.0.

[danti]

Lynn,
Would it be possible to keep on your website a section for various installations? In other words, if I wanted to install the latest version on Ubuntu or Suse or Fedora, etc., I could look there, and find instructions from someone who's done it, with comments about the version of wine needed.
Thanks.

[Lynn]

Danti,

I'm mostly ignorant about Linux / WINE. I can keep my eye out for people who explain what they did, and how it worked.

I suppose you could start a thread on what you did to get BerBible to work (or not work) on your preferred Linux distribution.

[brambling21]

I use both Puppy Linux and Xubuntu Linux, I'll try and run the Berean Bible on both systems, and let you guys know how it works.