Slideshow for i18n Russian version

[Lynn]

Yaroslav wrote:

Attached file is .html with slides captions 99% translated into Russian. Left a few words in English there - name of Bible included into starter-kit - will it be RST for Russian starter-kit? And I'll think of better examples for search words (in Russian "scriptures" ("писание") gives different results and "pride fall" gives nothing.)

Please test if the program that build slides "eats" Russian text correctly.

OK .... seems to work ok. THANKS!! for doing this.
 
Here is a link to the first 4 slides, with the Russian copy/pasted into the captions (didn't mean to leave the last slide attached)
http://www.berbible.org/slides/BbDesktopRussian_080423a_viewlet_swf.html
 
Also, there is a standalone downloadable .exe:
http://www.berbible.org/slides/BbDesktopRussian_080423a.exe
 
So this shows us that it can be done. If we proceed to put this together, then the difficult part might be taking the "snapshots" of BerBible-RST being used ... not the ESV in use.
 
When I did copy/paste, the formatting wasn't always transferred. The font size worked well to copy/paste from your html file.
 
There is a way to "import" from an html file into the viewlet builder application, but I think I tried that without much success.
 
It might be simpler for you to obtain the "lite" version of Qarbon ViewletBuilder, but it is a java app, and incredibly sluggish. It is a relatively short slide-show ... only about 45 slides. It bogs down to a crawl when you get to hundreds of slides. I have my doubts that it would be practical for you with a 400mhz computer.
 
Qarbon has a different "business model" ... the version that allows you to publish to their ViewletCentral website is free ... you have to pay to be able to "publish" to your own website. (I got a free license "for a good cause" and was a case study for them)

That might work ok ... you could put the viewlet together, send it to me, and I could publish it. Seems ethical and I have a "clear conscience" about it .... but I have my doubts about using your computer on it.  Plus there is a learning curve involved (but you are a smart dude <g>)

But for the immediate future, perhaps the priority is the RST module working with BerBible that is i8n enough to work for a person with a computer that is setup for Russian. My understanding is that Easter in the Ukraine is this Sunday.

[Yaroslav]

BTW, which version on ViewletBuilder do you use? I'm downloading v4, but it's not "lite" and has 46 Mb installer - I can imagine it's size and "speed".

[Lynn]

It is 4.5.11 ... the last in the 4.5.x series.

"Lite" wasn't a good choice of words ... it is somewhat restricted compared to the "Pro" version.

There is a 5.x version, but I haven't tried it ... also I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to take your work using 5.x and re-compile it to put on the website.

If you get 4.5.11, can you make a quick change to the 080423a slides, save with a different name, and send back to me. That way I can make sure I can compile it.

And I suppose a better test would be a .qvp file that you make "from scratch". I want to confirm I can compile them before you put too much time and effort into "recording" them and putting in the captions.

Note that I use a fixed resolution of 640x480.

But my preference would be to get the prototype ready for Easter release. Is there more to do on that? Did the fcharset204 change help?

LA

[Yaroslav]

I asked about "lite" because seems they actually had old version called "lite". I installed v4 - works ok. Not so slow when it's not compiling.

I've made a "viewlet" for testing, (I'll send the file by mail shortly, it's 1Mb).
Please send me the project with BerBible slides, I can't find it, only .html and .jpg.

fcharset204 might help, but I won't notice - it was good on my computer and another one I tested on even before that. The problem was on your XP sandbox configured for Russian, if I recall correctly.
The prototype will be ready tomorrow (I need to check it tomorrow, but the result of last code merge should be it). The .docs and then installer - on Saturday/Sunday.

[Lynn]

Here is the English ESV .qvp;
http://www.berbible.org/slides/230_BerBibleEsvMiniTutorial.zip

And a quesiton about the Russian .rc ... should the RichEdit control be RichEdit20W?
http://www.mihai-nita.net/article.php?artID=20050709b

[Lynn]

Drat ... it isn't going to work for you to put the slideshow together. I was concerned about that. Qarbon has a mechanism to prevent what we are trying to do. I can't compile the .qvp from you ... or even open it to look at it.

So I guess hold off on creating the Russian viewlet until we get this problem resolved ... if it can be resolved.

Hmmmm ... in the version you have, is it possible to create an executable? There is an option in:
Viewlet + Compile-Properties + Advanced + Create .exe for Windows

Then you could create it and send it to me so I could at least look at it.

Another approach would be to "publish" it to ViewletCentral.

I think if we can get a BerBible.exe that I am able to use to open the RST ... with all the controls showing up in Russian with WinXp, then I can make the slideshow by recording the same 45 or so slides as the English ESV version ... then copy/paste in the captions from your .html file.

LA

[Lynn]

There is some information about "exporting and importing captions" that involves html files at:
http://www.qarbon.com/help/viewletbuilder/VB4_UserGuide.pdf

The info is on page 44 ... you have to scroll down.

Basically, it looks like you first export from an existing .qvp, then modify the .html file, then import back into the project.
(note that I haven't actually done this)

[Yaroslav]

I tried to import the .html with captions I made - successfully. Opened the .qvp you sent, used "import .html". Without copy-pasting. VB version is "4.5.11 x528"

It has corrupted formatting with added         huge       spaces between         words, that's perhaps a problem with html (I used VC++ to edit html and it "reformatted" it incorrectly, adding spaces sometimes - I'll fix it).

I think if we can get a BerBible.exe that I am able to use to open the RST ... with all the controls showing up in Russian with WinXp, then I can make the slideshow by recording the same 45 or so slides as the English ESV version ... then copy/paste in the captions from your .html file.

Ok. I'll send you the exe and final .html today, so you can make needed screenshots and use my .html to make slideshows. (Search words to paste into BerBible's Find Words Field are in bold int .html - in the same places as in English).

[Lynn]

Looks like Yaroslav is making great progress ... attached is a screen shot ... also at:
http://www.berbible.org/images/BbRstWinXpRegionalSettings_080425d

Your prayers appreciated for availability of "release candidate" on or before the Ukrainian Easter (this Sunday)

[Lynn]

Regarding ViewletBuilder .... you start a "New" project, specify the parameters, and then "record" screen-shots by pressing the "Pause" button (the default key to use) when the app is how you want it to be. Then you save the project and open the project to add captions.
 
Here are some comments about how I go about it:

• define the "capture" screen area to be about 650x480. I use 640 for the English version, but the menu-bar is wider than that ... at 640 the last menu-item becomes a new line.
• Resize BB to just fill up the capture screen area.
• make sure the View options are appropriate ... won't make much difference with RST because I don't think there is much "tagging". WOC on, paragraph mode, headings on, notes off, timings off, font-size either large or between medium and large, etc.
• just wondered ... what happens with Font Face family defined to be "arial", "verdana", "times new roman" .... wonder if this should be specified in the RTF statement??   ... also involves "fswiss"
• Try to have the cursor in position when you press the Pause button to take a snapshot.
• Position the cursor just below the Input Field so it appears as a full cursor. Otherwise it may display as a blinking, small caret which may not appear at all. This applies when you have put in part of "scr...ipt...ures" and "acts ... 17:11".
• Also position it just to the left of the TextViewer for the same reason.
• Some of the English slides don't appear to be changed at all ... this may involve moving the cursor to the Find button .... snap ... left-mouse-button down without releasing (to depress the button) .... snap .... release LMB and TextViewer changes .... snap.
• Take several snapshots for many of the 45 "baseline slides", and delete the unused ones later .... this especially applies to getting the "hover tips" to appear ok with the verse-reference on the "matches".

[Yaroslav]

A slideshow for Russian version Release Candidate is finished.
I published it to Viewlet Central:
http://www.viewletcentral.com/vc/viewlet/723412077/

Thanks for the hints!

[RLRandallX]

I'm impressed!  Can we do the same for the Spanish version?
RR

[Lynn]

I'm impressed!  Can we do the same for the Spanish version?
RR

Eventually.